******************************************

                         KIDCLUB IRC November 27, 1993

                          UNICEF: Global Environment

                         Castelnau KIDCLUB Open House

                                   17:00 GMT

                  ******************************************

 

Participants:

=============

Finland:         Mikael Sundholm, Linus, Lucas, Thomas, Johan

Iceland:         Oli Atlason

Peru:            Oscar Becerra

Slovenija:       Alenka Makuc

 

United Kingdom

     Cambridge:  Ben Walter

        Durham:  Will Parks

        London:  Mike Burleigh, Jane Inett, Luke, Dawn, Denis, Louise A.,

                 Louise K., Sam, Katie, Rachel, invited guests included the

                 Mayor of Richmond-on-Thames, James Trolland and others

 

United States

   California:   Vonnie Phillips

     Maryland:   Patti Weeg, Karen, Kelli, Kristi, Hickory, Nada, Maggie

     Virginia:   Joseph Talavier, Mike, Rachel

   Washington:   John Keithly

=========================================================================

edited version...

 

<willp> hi Oscar.. good to have you with us

<oscarb> So who are we right now?

<PattiW> I'm in Maryland

* willp sitting in an office on a cold and dark UK evening!

<oscarb> We had a special on the Manu nat park which is an unsettled part of

the amazon jungle southeast of peru

<A-Vonnie> Hi I am in Garden Grove, California, by Disneyland

<oscarb> where thousands of species exist without classification

<willp> go on Oscar...

<oscarb> Hi A-Vonnie how are you doing with the fires in california?

* willp is intrigued and sitting on the edge of his seat

<Nada> My kids are arriving! <Patti>

<A-Vonnie> I believe the fires are all out.

<oscarb> Well Manu is the name of the province where this park is. People can

arrange to spend a few days there but it's costly and difficult

<willp> what do people do there Oscar?

* Linus is from Finland

<oscarb> A friend of mine recorded the whole 4 programs and we can see them

calmly and use them in class

* willp is from the UK

<Nada> we are in salisbury, maryland U.S.A

* A-Mikael is also from Finland.

* Oli_ is in iceland

<willp> oscar, what is happening to this park?

<oscarb> there is no people at Manu, at the park, around the area some tribes

live in the same way they've done for centuries, in harmony with land

* willp smiles with admiration and appreciation

<oscarb> nothing is happening to the park It was presented in TV and I

mentioned it because of todays subject about environment

<oscarb> there are three teachers from Peru travelling to london (king's

college) next january, they are very inetersted in meeting Mike and have

<oscarb> the opportunity to visit some British Schools, they are from the

British Peruvian School in LIma

<MikeB> hello from the UK

<oscarb> How is your Open House going Mike?

<Nada> we have nada, kelli, kristi, hickory, and karen

<MikeB> will you all tell our visitor where you are coming in from..what

countries.

<bw> Cambridge, England

<Nada> maryland, usa

<MikeB> One visitor has arrived already

<A-Vonnie> Hi, I am in Garden Grove, California, USA

* Linus is from Vasa, Finland

<oscarb> I'm Oscar becerra in Lima Peru at the Intl. Pacific Fair. It's a

trade fair and we are located at the US pavillion IBM booth

<willp> Hello distinguished guests - it's Will Parks representing UNICEF here

in the Northeast of the UK

<MikeB> My name is James Trolland and I represent Richmond Education and

Business partnership

<oscarb> Hello Will, UNICEF has been in the news here in Lima because of a

project Called WAWAWASI (house of Kids in Quechua) oriented to give

<willp> welcome to the world!

<oscarb> shelter to infants and kids while parents work in poor areas

<willp> glad to hear it Oscar!

<Nada> we're glad you're here, JamesT

<willp> JamesT tells us something about your work in Richmond

<JamesT> my role is to link education and business within schools

<A-Vonnie> I am a teacher of children with learning disabilities at elem level

<oscarb> James, do you link enterprises with schools?

<JamesT> yes

<oscarb> I missed the last message, who is a teacher for learning disabled

kids?

<willp> how long have you been establishing these links, JamesT?

<Nada> Are our Castelnau friends there?

<A-Vonnie> I am, Vonnie in Garden Grove, California, USA

<JamesT> 2 years

<oscarb> I think most children diagnosed with learning disabilities really

have teachers with teaching disabilities (joking) because they haven't

<A-Vonnie> Oscar, you may be correct on that

<oscarb> found a way to connect with those kids way of learning. Since they

know how to walk, run, talk, etc. they must know how to learn, it's just

<oscarb> a different way of learning, do you agree?

<kid22983> Vonnie, are you a teacher at Garden Grove?

<A-Vonnie> Oscar, you are probably very close to the truth. Some teachers (not

all) do not wish to take the time to find a different way of teaching. Yes. I

teach in Garden Grove, Califronia

<kid22983> What age are your students & do you use Internet at school?

<A-Vonnie> My students range from 7 to 12 and my 10-12 year olds are in

KIDCAFE

<kid22983> Excellent!  I am working on bringing Internet(Kidlink) to students

here in Seattle.  Do your students use your account or their own?

<Linus> MikeB: Thank you very much for the the video! <Mikael>

<oscarb> Mike who are attending your Open House? Parents of kids?

<A-Vonnie> My students use both CORE (through college) or FrEdMail, shich goes

through a local high school. Some have their own accounts on FrE

<jane> Have you looked at the video yet

<Dawn> Hello everyone

<Lucas> We are going to look at it now

<Dawn> How did you like our video?

<Dawn> Oscar Louise says Hi!

<oscarb> hi louise and everybody else

<Dawn> How are you all ?

<willp> fine thanks Dawn - but a bit cold!

<kid22983> We don't have FredMail here in Washington -- what a shame!  But we

do have access to some free Internet hosts.

<Dawn> When the Mayor gets here i have to take care of  her so this is my time

for talking to you all!:(

<Dawn> Its cold here to!

<oscarb> I'm fine and excited about this meeting, it's the first time I've

stayed for so long without being forced out by the system

<Thomas> Yes. We're just about to start looking at it, Dawn.

<A-Vonnie> You all should be here in Southern Cal. I think it will be in the

70"s today , with lots of sun.

<Kristi> here it isn't that cold I'm just wearing a teeshirt and jeans

<Dawn> Lucky for some!

<Oli_> here it is cold, but im wearing t-shirt & jeans :)

<oscarb> well it's sunny and nice here in Lima as well. We are approaching

summer

<Oli_> hmm, ok not that cold.

<kid22983> Oscar, how is the weather in Peru today?  And what is your local

time?  Its foggy and 9:30 AM here.

<Dawn> We have displayed lots of Unicef info for the guests Will !

<Oli_> its not freezing temperatres.

<Linus> Kelli; how are you today?

<Dawn> It is really cold out here and we have recently had snow. I love snow !

<oscarb> well as I said sunny and warm, about 25 degrees C and it's half past

noon

<Kelli> hi Linus I am doing pretty good today how about yourself?

* Oli_ loves skiing :)

<Oli_> thats why i like snow

<oscarb> where is here kid22983? California?

<A-Vonnie> This is my first time on kidclub

<Dawn> Jane has just taken a photo of me and i hate having photos taken of me

!

<Linus> Kelli; just fine  =)

* Oli_ gives A-Vonnie a high-Five!

<Oli_> mine too!

<Dawn> Are you having a good time everyone!

<kid22983> Yes, Vonnie, I hadn't noticed you before.  But you sound like you

are right at home!

<A-Vonnie> I am learning and isn't that what it is all about. Thanks!

<kid22983> Absolutely!

<oscarb> I obtained a fotoman camera which takes B/W pictures in TIFF format

so now I can send some to Kidlink gallery if it accepts TIFF

<Dawn> What countries are here tonight at the moment?

<kid22983> Actually, I thought we were going to meet with Mike Burleigh today.

<Dawn> Dawn is MIke b group

<A-Vonnie> I am in the USA

<Kelli> mikeb is here

<Dawn> Is Antti there today Linus?

<oscarb> Oscar, oops A-Oscar is from Lima, Peru

<Linus> Dawn, no he isn't

<Kelli> dawn, can you tell jane to send Finland a copy of our video?

<kid22983> Aye, Hello to Mike et al.  Now did you all have a topic for us this

fine day!

<Dawn> we have

<Dawn> Will do we have a topic

<oscarb> Isn't it global environment?

<Kelli> yes oscar

<Kelli> dawn, who all is with you?

<Dawn> Who is there in M.D?

<Dawn> LUke ,Denis ,Louise A,and Sam

<oscarb> What's M.D?

<kid22983> If you like Oscar, I could look through my shareware collection and

I could mention some software that does TIFF<->GIF converting?

<A-Vonnie> Kelli, I missed where you are from, can you say again?

<Kelli> kelli,kristi hickory,nada, maggie and karen

<Dawn> Mary land

<willp> would everyone like to chat about this week's topic now?

<Dawn> Yes i would

<Kelli> sure!

<A-Vonnie> sure

<kid22983> Excellent idea Will!

<oscarb> Thanks kid22983, what's your real name by the way?

* willp forgetting to announce that the topic is the GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT

<willp> Ok, name as many problems around the world as they affect the

environment

<willp> over-fishing is my offer

<Dawn> Trees being cut down or burnt

<Dawn> Air pollution from chemicals

<Dawn> The list is endless!

<A-Vonnie> we probably use too much gas in cars here in Southern Cal

<Kelli> chemical run off from farms into our Bay

<oscarb> replacing forests with coca crops in the latinamerican valleys

<Dawn> Ozone layer

<Dawn> Global warming

<willp> correct Dawn - anybody else thought of problems?

<kid22983> Decline in bird and frog populations

<Dawn> Acid rain

<Kelli> oil spills

<kid22983> Human over-population

<willp> that's an impressive and DEPRESSING list

<willp> what would you place at the top of the list?

<oscarb> taking more than our fair share from our planet

<Dawn> Nuclear waste

<kid22983> Too much garbage piling up

<Dawn> I think we should place Global Warming at the top of the list

<A-Vonnie> I hate to admit it, but I don't worry about this too much

<Dawn> What do you all think?

<willp> for me perhaps the greatest problem is human population growth rates

rising

<Thomas> Where are you from Alenka?

<AlenkaM> Hi. I am from Slovenia

<Dawn> HI everyone

<kid22983> My number one concern is over consumption of our precious resources

-- fresh, clean water in particular

<Dawn> I agree sort of Will

<hickory> people on the top of the list

<oscarb> I think we need to educate people to use our planet conciously before

we eat it all and leave nothing for those to come

<willp> a stable population does less damage [fact] than a growing population

<Johan> me too

<kid22983> Vonnie, what are your concerns re: the environment?

<hickory> the more people the more waste and polution

<Dawn> thats true

<A-Vonnie> Why am I the only one who thinks our world will not be destroyed

until God is ready for that?

<willp> at present humans consume 40% of the world's resources...

<oscarb> the less educated the people the more damage they produce I don't

think it's just a matter of number

<Dawn> Because everyone has diffrent beliefs

<willp> we share that with approximately 50 MILLION other species...

<kid22983> I don't necessarily disagree with you, Vonnie.

<hickory> Kristi thinks that the people are ones ruining the earth , not God

<Dawn> I believe in God

<Johan> me too

<willp> in 30 years time we will be consuming 80% of the world's resources...

<Oli_> god? god is a phantsie. balance rulez! - (tao)

<hickory> he gave us this earth and we've got to take care of it

<oscarb> I believe in God too but I think the power to use resources

conciously is within us

<willp> what will the other 50 million species be using?

<A-Vonnie> I guess what I am saying is that I do not believe the world can be

destroyed until God is ready for it.

<Dawn> It is us who destroy the Earth because of Cfc gases etc.

<AlenkaM> BY, everbody. See you some other time.

<Dawn> Bye

<A-Vonnie> But I do believ we should take care of it.

<Dawn> Yes that is true

<oscarb> The problem is we see the other species as part of the resources to

be used by us

<willp> Vonnie, i think more people should believe that the world is not going

to be destroyed...like yourself ...

<hickory> God gave us freedom of choice to do what we want with our world.

<Dawn> I think we have just realizized we have to look after it

<A-Vonnie> I agree!

<Thomas> ...and we decided to over-use it...

<willp> I too believe firmly that we DO have the ability to prevent global

degradation

<kid22983> I guess the key to ponder is whether we people can have any effect

on preventing environmental degradation.

<Dawn> We have to do something as ev

<willp> good point.

<willp> what would you do?

<Dawn> not everyone is thinking of what is happening to the earth

<oscarb> Anybody knows how many lives could be saved with the energy lost in

the ice americans throw away after every soft drink?

<Johan> Hmm??

<hickory> i never thought of that

<Thomas> No.

<Thomas> Tell us!

<willp> tell us Oscar

<oscarb> I read it's thousands a day.

<Thomas> WOW!

<A-Vonnie> I guess I just don't think in those terms (about the ice)

<willp> :(

<hickory> Kristi never uses ice

<kid22983> Oscar, throwing away ice may be a problem.  But frankly we waste

water in many more profound ways than that.

<willp> I feel that we humans have an ability to IGNORE problems UNTIL they

become too great to NOT notice...

<hickory> thats true will

<Dawn> It is not just the water being thrown away but the energy is being used

to produce the ice.

<Thomas> Does anybody know what the Russian government said to the people

about the danger with nuclear power plants and weapon testing?

<Dawn> no tell us

<oscarb> I was not thibking in the water but in the cost of freezing it, we

also throw away tons of ketchup, mustard, mayonaise, etc at the fast

<oscarb> food restyaurants and that means resources being dilapidated

<Thomas> They said that there's no danger. If you wear jeans and a jacket you

won't be affected.

<willp> and the reason that I feel more confident that finally we are coming

to terms with our lack of foresight is because technology and science and

faith are beginning to compensate for our ....

<hickory> yes we do and also at school

<Thomas> Sometimes they didn't say anything...

<hickory> how is that going to protect you?

<willp> previous indiscretions

<Thomas> The Tjernobyl meltdown in Ukraina in 1986 led to that the meat here

in Finland and other countries became radioactive.

<willp> why, according to many scientists should a growing population be the

major problems?

<A-Vonnie> I guess i better go too, I have been on nearly an hour and I am

supposed to limit my time to 60 min within 6 hrs. Thanks for the discussion.

<Thomas> Hickory: It doesn't. They said it just so that the people wouldn't

worry.

<hickory> Our fat food restaurants are changing their packaging to

biodegradable

<willp> that's a step in the right direction

<hickory> they should tell the people the truth about something that dangerous

<willp> do you have fat food restaurants?  ;-)

<oscarb> people in countries like mine were afraid radioactive edibles would

be sold to us after Chernobyl and corrupt authorities wouldn't do nothi

<Thomas> Many companies are so greedy that they don't want to spend money on

the environment.

<Dawn> Too many people are too bigger draw on the Earths sources.

<hickory> hheheheheheheh....'fast' food ...my oops!

<Johan> Someone in Finland discovered that Heinz (a ketchup factory) earn what

we people leave on the plate. :-o

<hickory> explain johan.

<Dawn> Resources of the Earth are finite

<kid22983> Will, you mentioned our "growing population" and what is its major

concern to scientists . . . ?

<Dawn> E.g Coal or Oil

<willp> Dawn is correct is saying that the earth's natural resources are

finite - finite in terms of human lives

<willp> we have been on earth for such a tiny portion of geological time that

our impact has been dramatic..

<hickory> do you think scientists will discover alternative resources, like

solar energy?

<Dawn> Yes ithink so

<willp> good question Hickory - what does everyone think?

<oscarb> What I'm pointing is not if the remainings are biodegradable. If you

are given 3 mustard packets and use one two are being misused

<Thomas> Yeah, soon solar energy will rule the world...

<willp> solar energy is of course one source of alternative energy - any

others?

<Thomas> Wind.

<oscarb> the cost of those unused two you throw away should have a better use

because if not we are using irresponsibly the resorces available

<hickory> thats true because they will usually just get thrown away.  How much

of the garbage  thats piling up do you think has'nt even been used?

<Dawn> Hydro electric power, Wave power,wind power,heat power,

<johnk> hydrogen + oxygen

<Thomas> Sometime in the future maybe we'll discover fusion power.

<willp> garbage as a source of energy? e.g. underground thermal energy from

waste tips?

<hickory> muscle power instead of electric power

<johnk> fusion anyone?

<Johan> They earn so much many that it cost to make the ketchup that we leave

on the plate (pretty much).(I know its a bit late)

<Thomas> I'm the lazy type, so I prefer not to use muscle power.

<Dawn> Over here we do a lot of re-cycling and have been doing it for quite

along time

<johnk> Yes, Hickory, I like that one (muscle power).  Let's hear it for

bikes!

<mano> hello this is joseph

<hickory> we do it alot around here too

<oscarb> if we have finite resources then the ones thrown away by us are being

taken from the ones who will not be able to have them in the future

<Thomas> Hi from Finland!

<willp> Oscarb - replace 'resources' with the word 'earth'!!!!

<oscarb> yes will I agree

<mano> hi from richmond ,va,usa

<johnk> Ah, sorry, hi Joseph!  We're talking about environmental problems

<mano> apart from recycling, w4 need to find other solutions.

<willp> I guess what my point is about population is that it has been shown

that a stable population causes LESS damage than a growing population -

<mano> How can we motivate our parents to think about recycling?

<johnk> Ah, but Will, we have but one earth to throw away. . .

<willp> although there are many problems at the moment - they can be

controlled...

<maggie> Karen says we need to think alittle more about what we're doing

<willp> but NOT if the population increases to beyond the carrying capacity of

earth's resources as humans use them.

<mano> How do yor parents react when you talk about recycling?

<oscarb> I agree with you Karen, and help others think about what they are

doing too

<Thomas> The perfect city would be placed in a 'greenhouse' i.e. a house built

of glass. It would use solar power and have lots and lots of plants in it that

would provide oxygen. Then the UV-radiation wouldn't affect us that much.

<willp> that's an interesting question Joseph.

<maggie> I don't talk about recycling...

<willp> Thomas - nice description - it would be sad to think though that we

would have to leave like that eventually

<mano> then how are you goiung to help everyone to think about recycling if

you cannt even talk to your parents about your beliefs.

<Thomas> But that's what we have to do when the ozone layer is gone.

<maggie> but I used to and my parents said that it would be up to me and that

it would be my responsibility

<oscarb> not many people talk about recycling in Peru, but there are people

who leave near the waste areas and classify garbage and sell it to facto

<mano> We need to use the newspaper for wrapping gifts, groceries etc

<johnk> Oh, Maggie, I think we ALL must be in this together.

<mano> What else can we do as kids?

<willp> they say that charity begins at home - charity as it refers to the

earth - the biggest home of all

<Dawn> We re-cycle all our papers

<maggie> I can talk to my parents about my beliefs,mano, but I just don't

think about it that often

<Dawn> Thats cool Bill very touching

<johnk> Yes, I like that too, Will.

<willp> Maggie do you wish you did think about recycling more often

<mano> This is mike, Rachel, and joseph on recycling.

<mano> We take care of recycling cans, papers, plastics etc.

<maggie> We have local recycling centers that people can take their glass,

papers etc....

<mano> We wish we can stop junk mail.

<maggie> yes,mano

<willp> that's an interesting point Mano

<mano> There should be a lawa gainst junk mail  That brings alot of unwanted

papers

<Dawn> We have a load of them in LOndon especiall in Barnes where we live

<willp> I agree

<willp> who should be responsible for stopping junk mail?

<Thomas> We really don't need all those small advertising leaflets.

<maggie> you are suposed to be able to call them and cancil some of your

junkmail

<willp> shouldn't the companies who produce the mail be encouraged to stop?

<oscarb> I am really enjoying this chat but I must leave now, continue

enjoying your meeting,  Bye

<mano> Joseph feels that the Govermnemtn first should stop junk mail, and make

the advertisers to stop it too.

<willp> bye Oscar thanks so much for joining us

<mano> bye oscar from joseph talaiver

<maggie> Why would they stop, will, it helps them make money

<Dawn> Bye from LOuise

<Thomas> Some people have signs on their front doors that says (translated to

English): No advertisements.

<willp> correct Maggie! Money - perhaps the root of all problems?!

<willp> we couldn't they be encouraged to use email to advertise?

<Dawn> Bye everyone I am handing over to Luise Allcock

<Thomas> Bye Dawn!

<mano> Mike and joseph assure that if the post office stops delivering the

junk mail, and throw away or return it to the sender, that will teach junk

mailers a lesson.

<willp> with electricity coming from alternative energy sources !!

<maggie> But that might not be possible for everyone, will

<mano> Or how about

<willp> maybe not now - but soon perhaps?

<maggie> Maybe, will

<Thomas> I wouldn't like to recieve lots of messages containing things like:

Buy Clearasil - it keeps the acne away.

<johnk> Hello, Louise!

<willp> ;-) Thomas

<oscarb> Just before leaving, did you know junk mail is prepared by disabled

people (like mentally retarded) and that's one of the few jobs they get

<mano> who is willlp

<Louise> I did not know anything about that Oscar!

<mano> I doubt that oscar.  May be to a minimum.

<mano> Probably, we should find another kind of job for them

<Johan> HI

<Louise> What do you mean by prepared Oscar?

<mano> Hello will p.  This is joseph talaiver.  My mom has talked about you.

<oscarb> I've seen them and the proud in their faces is really touching. They

feel useful and very proud to sustain themselves

<maggie> Karen agrees with joseph

<Louise> I suppose that must be a good thing Oscar

<oscarb> prepared: they take the leaflets and put them in envelopes

<willp> perhaps the answer to this leaflet problem would be to ensure that the

paper was itself recycled paper?

<Lucas> brb

<Thomas> Yeah. It's a pity that we don't like what they have done.

<Johan> brb

<Louise> Tht is a good idea Will...

<willp> that would ensure also that people kept their jobs

<Louise> I think that all leaflets should contain a message asking people to

recycle all they have read and do not need anymore

<mano> I am not still coninved about junk mail solution.

<mano> Hi, Ole from Icelan.  Hei from Richmond, VA

<johnk> Hey, amazing!

<willp> what do you think Maggie?

<mano> My junk mail solutions are:

* Oli_ doesnt have a junkmail problem :)

<johnk> Oli, no junk mail?

<mano> 1.  The advertisers should use only mentally retarded people and the

envelop shd say that they stuffed the envelope.

<Louise> Where are you Oli

<Oli_> nope.

<maggie> Ilike Louise's idea...

<mano> 2.  Make the advertisers pay double the postage.

<Oli_> i am in reykjavik, iceland

<mano> 3.  Use recycled papers only for junk mail

<maggie> abuot the message asking people to recycle

<willp> yes Maggie

<Oli_> i c that uve changed the topic from taling about enviromental issues to

junk mail...

<Louise> I think all of those are excellent ideas Mano

<mano> 4.  After reading, send it to the advertisers for recycling,. and the

advertiser should pay for it.

<willp> Mano those are some intersting ideas

<mano> Is this asking too much, Joseph & MIKe

<maggie> Oli, it is enviromental...

<johnk> So Oli, is all your mail free from advertising and soliciting?

<Oli_> GASP!

<maggie> The junkmail is part of the problem

<mano> Mano is not here, these are kids. Now let us how to change our name

<Oli_> Yepp, we get almost no junk mail over here - well - almost :)

<Thomas> Use /nick

<maggie> Oli, what have you done to get less junkmail?

<Louise> Why do you trhink you do noy get ant junk mail Oli??

<Oli_> maggie: i lived in iceland, so now i dont get as much junk mail :))

<Oli_> but there are lists you can unsubscribe to if you want.

<joseph> Do you have a word in yoru dictionary called junk mail in Iceland

<maggie> Oli, do you have other kinds of advertising, instead of junkmail?

<Oli_> so you havent got a word for it either

<Louise> It is going very well I have someone with me now

<Oli_> Nothing instead. Just the tv Papers and stuff like that

<maggie> But don't you have junkmail inside your papers?

<willp> So the Iceland government has perhaps banned junk mailing?

<Oli_> nope.

<Oli_> only ads

<Thomas> You could use this-stupid-paper-goes-right-into-the-dust-bin. That's

one word (almost).

<Oli_> NO not banned it

<maggie> Louise, who is with you?

<Oli_> but after all, we only are 250.000

<willp> discouraged it?

<Oli_> nope

<Oli_> it just isnt used very much

<maggie> Why, Oli?

<Oli_> most junkmail we receive is from the states or the eoropean continent

:)

<johnk> Oh my, "this-stupid-paper" more work to say it than to just chuck it.

<Louise> I have lots of important people with me!...

<maggie> The junkmailwe get doesn't come from other countries.

<willp> apart from junk mail what other LOCAL environmental problems do you

have in your respective countries?

<joseph> Oops, what kind of impt people, I better strighten up my act.

<Louise> The mayor and consort..

<willp> Welcome to Louise's distinguished guests.

<johnk> Louise, nice to hear ... but what is a consort?

<joseph> well, we have been complaining about water problems, water pollution.

<Louise> Cosmas Rubencanp from Richmond, Virginia!...

<Thomas> Unlike in London (I've been there), wherever you go here yo find

scrap in the street.

<joseph> Our Richmond city governemnt and Virginia epa are taking care of the

problems.

<Louise> Three councillors

<maggie> Karen just got the mail...

<willp> what type of water pollution Joseph?

<joseph> hello VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE.  This is joseph Talaiver, Michael and

Rachel Walls

<maggie> We have junkmail

<joseph> Thec ompanies and factories spill. Drainages from the houses

<joseph> Our government also has built a new flood wall.  This will miminimize

some problems

<willp> On which river Joseph?

<joseph> Of course, our own River James.  Do you know that we are going to do

a project between River James and River Thames  if every thign works weell

<joseph> The project will be called The electronic tale of two rivers: The

James and the Thames.

<willp> great Joseph sounds a wonderful project - Good luck!

<johnk> Well, lest I overstay my time and create unnecessary junk irc mail . .

. (no one does this, right)  I will just be saying Adieu!

<joseph> I hopw we can comple it with the help of our English friends like

you.

<Thomas> Boo!

<joseph> hello, john do not leave yet.  We need to hear about water pollution

<Louise> We are looking forward to making a video on our locai river(The

Thames)

<Thomas> YEAH!

<karen> hi how yall doin

<joseph> Wondrful, well, one of my teachers is making a mulimedia stack on

James

<willp> I'm sure Louise and company will be helping you Joseph

<joseph> Wonderful, our teachers from USA are  carol mccreary, norwwood

powell, and someone else.  I will aks my mom.

<karen> my mom won't let me recycle she thinks it is to much trouble and no

one will help out

<Louise> I think recycling is worth the trouble Karen!

<joseph> Is Mr. Burleigh there wi

<Louise> Mr.Burleigh is here

<willp> karen - your mom faces what many other people fear - that they are the

only one's helping the environment....

<karen> I( know but my mom won't let me

<karen> too much work for having 4 trash cans in the garage

<willp> recycling and contributing at home is the GREATEST way of helping -

and you wouldd't be alone

<karen> she thinks no one will use.

<joseph> that is right.  Let us hear more on wnater pollution and air

pollution.

<karen> polluted water is a killer

<Louise> Anyway back too water pollution!

<willp> karen EVERY little bit helps! that's the whole point!

<joseph> Talking about air pollution; it is sad today that Phillip Morris

announced a lay off today.

<karen> well i try but i need  some support from my mom and dad

<karen> yes i can't do it with out my parents

<joseph> How amuch are you doing kaeren before you work with your mom and dad

<Louise> People have been known to get  very ill from swallowing dirty water

fromthe Thames

<Thomas> Will, I think that depends on whether you live in the US or UK.

<joseph> Well may be we need to dtrengthen our immunity, hep.

<Louise> What is Phillip Morris???

<karen> why thomas water from many places can kill you

<joseph> Everytime I grumble about bad water, my mom says think about people

in India

<joseph> By the way, Phillip Moris is the largest cigarette company.

<Louise> Immunity is not always the way to prevent disease

<joseph> All that air pollution, smoke and cancer etc have taken en effect,

you see

<karen> joe i have tried to set up stuff to recycle but i was not allowed i

sort stuff but i need more help

<karen> hi luke

<LukeM> Hi everyone !!

<willp> Karen can your friends not help you?

<joseph> How can I give a piece of my mind to your parents, let me think about

tht

<karen> its not that easy  my friends don't live w/ me and maybe if they come

over they can help but that is not 365 days  a year

<willp> Joseph, perhaps it is better to talk with adults rather than to argue

with them?

<joseph> good point, Mr. Parker.  I just listen to my parents before I say

anything.  Then I start, "can i say soemthing?

<willp> I think that you should know you are all supported by EACHOTHER!

<joseph> Of course, thanks mr. parker.

<joseph> We should start our own recycling project in samll scale and then

start with ohters.

<joseph> Like my paster says, I cannot preach if I do not practice.

<willp> that's right Joseph - is a seed bigger than the tree it grows into?

No!

<joseph> Well, bye everyone in England, we have got to leave

<joseph> Do you all have anything to share.  We will share this log with the

mayor of Richmond, and the mtero Richmond conventions bureau.

<karen> we do try to make a difference like using hairspray that does not hurt

the ozone layer

<joseph> bye every one from mike, rachel, and joseph

<LukeM> Karen: we have a lot of ozone friendly aerosols

<karen> same here luke

<LukeM> we also are starting to get more and more recycled paper being used

<karen> we also have companies trying too

<karen> like mcdonalds

<LukeM> Alot is used now

<Thomas> Here we are not that active (don't blame me!)

<LukeM> by a range of people

<willp> these are good signs of progress and effort

<LukeM> Many of the fridges are made without C.F.Cs

<willp> the biggest problem of all as far as the ozone is concerned

<LukeM> and the old ones with the harmful gases can be disposed of safely

<willp> that's right LukeM

<willp> we learn mostly by our mistakes!

<LukeM> Many cmpaniees have a deal whereby they dispose of your old fridge

when you buy a new one

<karen> but the thing is that every thing is made by stuff that is one the

earth

<karen> on the earth

<karen> and life is in its cycle

<karen> we have already have messed up and it is such a problem and we do not

do enough

<karen> no these are my own words

<willp> they sound great Karen!

<karen> but it can't just sound great i meant something

<LukeM> good point

<LukeM> there has to be thought behind what people say

<willp> don't get me wrong, Karen, they mean something AND sound great - that

way people will listen!

<LukeM> are we the only ones on topic

<willp> I remember reading a book on the environment....

<willp> where the writer mentions the hunting of Blue Whales...

<karen> i hope this is my home and will be my childrens home and i am scared

of what it will look like and i am thinking to my self do i want to have

children who will live in my generation and others mistakes?

<willp> his words went something like this....

<karen> i mean this is my home

<LukeM> I find that problem too karen

<LukeM> It's hard to comprehend that we are killing our planet...

<Thomas> What if we cannot repair our mistakes? Then we can only hope that we

find a new planet. Perhaps we'll treat that more wisely.

<karen> do you know what i mean like it is really not bothering me now but it

will w/my kids and i don't know if i would want to put them trough that

<karen> through

<willp> "It seems strange that men now hunt an animal who has been in

existence for 50 million years, in perfect harmony with its environment, all

for the sake of producing perfume. The heart of a Blue Whale weighs just more

than a tonne, and yet we are killing ..

<willp> it for the sake of a few ounces. Would you unravel the Bayeaux

Tapestry for a ball of string?

<karen> that sounds too easy and it will never happen we can not live on other

planets tom

<LukeM> It's ridiculous

<Thomas> At the moment, we can't, but there is a possibility that we will

colonize Mars.

<LukeM> but would that be a good life?..

<willp> but what I keep returning to is that the environment can support us as

a species - if only we could learn to control our uses of the resources we

have been blessed with and more importantly control our own population growth

rate...

<Thomas> Also, if we get to another solar system, there is a chance that there

would be life on that one...

<LukeM> you could only live in contained areas

<karen> we would just end up taking our bad habits w/ us and ruin it then we

would find another one just can't happen

<LukeM> in close contact with others all the time...

<LukeM> no privacy...

<karen> do what

<LukeM> we would go maddd.. well i would anyway*:^)

<Thomas> You said it wouldn't be a good life; that depends on if we make it a

good life.

<LukeM> but isn't part of life...our environment

<kristi> yes but many people wouldn't be able to leave their bad habbits

behind

<LukeM> we would destroy the planets we inhabited systematically

<LukeM> one by one...by one

<LukeM> till there was no more*:^(

<kristi> thats too depressing

<kristi> one ruined planet is all that we need

<willp> LukeM, surely there's a better solution to the progressive destruction

of our solar system!!! Such as maintaining our balance on earth!

<LukeM> what makes our species so detructive..... Greed

<Thomas> Look. We don't have to destroy another planet.Before we can colonize

another planet all countries must unite. Else the new planet will be destroyed

by wars.

<kristi> hopefully we can turn our world around so we wont have to look for

another planet

<Thomas> How?

<kristi> by doing things right

<Thomas> That doesn't say much.

<willp> It might surprise you to know that according to ecologists we use only

1% of what the earth could provide for our maintenance. The biggest problem is

that we OVERUSE this 1%!

<kristi> making people stop thier ignorant ways

<kristi> by telling people the facts about what they are doing

<LukeM> i think that our race is too greedy

<willp> if we can control the population growth rate and utilize resources

sustainable then Greed would be the only problem left to tackle...

<Thomas> The only way (that isn't possible) would be to turn back the years,

so that money wouldn't exist.

<kristi> very greedy

<willp> I admit however, that greed is perhaps the most difficult of human

emotions to control.

<LukeM> we take more for ourselves, and disregard the planet's other

inhabitants

<Thomas> If there's money to win, then Man can do anything.

<kristi> I know we can't correct what has happened in the past but we can

change what is happening today!!

<LukeM> greed isn't just money...

<willp> and there are almost 50 million species of those other inhabitants

<kristi> greed can be for everything!!

<LukeM> greed for power, control, etc.

<Thomas> But you can't just tell everyone: Stop destroying this planet,

please!

<LukeM> we shouldn't have to tell people

<LukeM> they should repond before being asked

<Thomas> But everyone isn't that caring.

<kristi> some people are lazy too

<LukeM> two major faults

<LukeM> think of other animals

<kristi> my dad refused to recycle at McDonalds when they first started to do

it now he does because i yelled at him

<kristi> he is too lazy

* willp thinks that you are all tremendous people and wishes he could stay to

chat for longer but he has to go. Speak to you again next week. Remember an

old chinese proverb: 'It's better to light a candle than to curse the

darkness"

<Thomas> Man put species of life where they didn't belong. Like the mink that

have been placed here and cannot be taken away.

<willp> see you all next week. I hope you all feel this has been worthwhile!

 

 

 

.